### memories

Cosma links to this article about a 'quantum solution to the arrow-of-time dilemma' and suggests to read it carefully.

I think I read it already a year ago as this preprint and it has several interesting ideas; In particular I liked the passages about Borel's argument.

But I was also thinking about the hidden assumption of this paper.

As far as I understand it, the author (implicitly) assumes that memories are about the past and in a paper about the 'arrow-of-time dilemma' this should be explained not assumed.

In other words, the author suggests that we could live in a time-symmetric world and we just do not have memories about "phenomena where the entropy decreases"; This is all fine, but in my opinion one needs to explain then why we only have memories about the past but not the future, without "an ad hoc assumption about low entropy initial states".

E.g. in the conclusions we read that "we could define the past as that of which we

have memories of, and the future as that of which we do not have any memories" (*), but the author does not ask or answer the question how there can even be such a thing as the future, of which we have no memories, in a time-symmetric world.

update: Sean wrote about the paper also and in the comments the author responds.

I am glad that at least one comment agrees with my own reading; And it seems that Nick Huggett has some interesting papers I should read.

update2: The author responds to Huw Price (who raised the same objection I did).

update3: Last, but not least, Dieter Zeh comments on the paper as well. I wrote about his book about 'the direction of time' previously.

PS: The question "if the world would run 'backwards', would we even notice it?" was raised and discussed previously on this blog.

(*) As it stands this statement is of course contrary to the usual convention(s). From what we know about physics, most of those events of which we have no memory are space-like to us and not in our future. And of course there are even events in our past of which we have no memories. E.g. we know for sure that Philip Augustus of France spent a night with Ingeborg of Denmark, but we have no documents or memories about the mysterious events of that night.

Subscribe to:
Post Comments (Atom)

## 3 comments:

This reminds me of a corollary to the idea that we've discussed before that one cannot predict the future...we can't even "predict" our past

More relevant to this paper. If one cannot distinguish entropy constant evolutions from those where entropy increases, then this would seem to imply that entropy constant evolutions don't "cost" anything and the universe could be doing them all the time. But if this is true, then computationally all hell breaks lose, since the universe could reversibly compute some crazy computation without time advancing.

I've tried to play around with classical models like this but so far they have either given me models with an extremely large amount of computational power, or the same as classical complexity.

Dave,

>> we can't even "predict" our past

I agree, the paper suggests that we would only remember the entropy increasing but the world could be indeed time-symmetric. If this is so we would be unable to 'predict' the past. (By the way this is imho not as crazy as it sounds, because somebody who believes in the MWI must believe in the reality of the wave function of the universe, which [following Hartle & Hawking] would not be evolving in the usual sense)

>> the universe could be doing them all the time. But if this is true, then computationally all hell breaks lose

again, I agree with you. In this model there could be computational processes which run 'backwards in time' but we would not be aware of them.

But then, we would not be able to read out the results of such computations. So everything is fine there...

>> so far they have either given me models with an extremely large amount of computational power

I would think this could still be fine, as long as you can explain why we have no access to the results of such computations 8-)

Post a Comment